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Post by workerscommunes on Jun 15, 2005 4:46:46 GMT -5
Sounds like a great idea to me. We could do a similar thing if we come across any interesting essays etc. too.
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Post by allers on Jun 15, 2005 11:16:01 GMT -5
Count me in!
Where/when an with what?, could we begin?
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Post by Liberaregno on Jun 15, 2005 16:22:10 GMT -5
this sounds like a freaking great idea! my suggestion would be to read muammar al-qadhafis book the green book first of all because it's about the problems in current democracy systems and a suggestion of a direct democracy system. and also, it's really short book so i think it would be good for a start 'cos it would be a quick read
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Jun 16, 2005 5:44:57 GMT -5
Good idea M  but don't we do this already, or at least try to? I checked out the emule thing and I don't get it so more info would be great, thanks. As for books, I don't get much time to read (yes sad I know) but I shall try to play. What would be really helpful is if we started with Ishmael Daniel Quinn, just because I already have it on order from the library. (I thought I'd better read some of the books I recommend)  Also, don't people find i harder to read on a screen than from a book? |
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Post by allers on Jun 16, 2005 6:34:08 GMT -5
Well a good begin!a good defi as well,if takin into account how the guy is depicted in our western world I'm for it ,as a begining.1 part at a time ,then draw our conclusion base on the all book ,and our feeling about it. When do we begin? |
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Jun 16, 2005 7:55:49 GMT -5
I've downloaded it, how do I open it?
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Post by allers on Jun 16, 2005 9:44:46 GMT -5
do you have acrobat reader?
or did you download it as zip/rar files
or are you linux?
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Jun 16, 2005 12:45:41 GMT -5
Hi allers  yes to the first, yes to the 2nd (zip), no to the last. I guess I need to get another unzip thing  |
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Post by Liberaregno on Jun 16, 2005 16:12:50 GMT -5
sounds cool. i'm glad you are also interested in this green book. just today i was once again wondering how sad it is that i have really never met anyone who's interested in the same things. of course i have really many wonderful friends but i'm still yet to find some good friends who is interested about politics from the same point of view or even close to that or something...
hokay, now i'm gonna go get ready for tomorrow's three days drinking strike. in finland we have many of these cool festival parties were we go to sleep in tents, then we eat lots of sausages, and drink beeer and fuck much and listen to great music and overall have great fun with our friends. so tomorrow me and my friends are gonna go to one of these festivals (200 000 people coming) and stay in the tent for the whole weekend like really many people do. that will be so awesome. so i'm off till monday. have fun guys!
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Post by righteousnesous on Jun 17, 2005 0:47:59 GMT -5
Sweet. Yes a great idea all and all. Having just started mid-semester holidays, I've a lot of time to read, finally. When I'm not doing similar to what Lib is talking about that is. As for suggestions, I've a few ideas, but I would reccomend an article written by Australian Economist Clive Hamilton (I'm lucky enough to be hearing him speak next weak). He wrote an article called "The Disappointment of Liberalism", the inspiration to an assignment I just did. Anyway, he's quite well known over here, sort of like the Alain de Botton of the Antipodes. Here's the web site: www.tai.org.au/Publications_Files/DP_Files/DP70.pdfIts quite a long article, but read the summary (its 3 or 4 pages) and you'll get the idea. Talks about although we have more personal freedoms and affluence (in the developed world), with average salaries 3 or 4 times larger than 50 yrs ago, and the advent of femminism and more gay, race rights, etc, most people are much more unhappy. While these developments are self-evidently desirable, they do bring unintended consequences, for what use is unprecendented freedom and prosperity if we don't have the maturity or wisdom to use it?  Talks about how consumerism has become the de facto cult of the developed world, and how inherently unsatisfactory it is. The WHO reckon that by 2020, depression will be the world's second most onerous disease. Already 1/4 of France are taking some form of anti-depressants, anti-pschotics or other mood altering drug, a similar number in the US and Aus. This article is already too long, but, any way, I'm not suggesting it for the actual book club, but for a preliminary article, it might be interesting. Otherwise, whatever people want to suggest for the actual book club, I'm happy with that. |
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Post by workerscommunes on Jun 17, 2005 4:50:39 GMT -5
Just thought, I may have difficulty with this book club idea as I don't have broadband back home and can't afford to spend hours reading off a screen. Also my computer is pretty dodgy and I can't download stuff anymore. Any suggestions?
Should be fine by about August if not.
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Post by allers on Jun 20, 2005 4:36:27 GMT -5
i'm for the green book too!
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Post by Hydrarchia on Jun 20, 2005 17:35:13 GMT -5
I'd be down with reading/ critiquing 'the green book' again...
However its not an "anarchist book"...
From what i remeber it mostly just reads as confused and intellectually uninteresting
(as well as being venerated by certain fascist "national anarchist" types)...
like i said thats not a reason not to read it however...
perhaps we could read a series of authoritarian "masterpieces" to evaluate/ critique
..Maos 'red book' afterwards, or Lenin's 'what is to be done', or Hitlers 'my struggle'...
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Post by Liberaregno on Jun 21, 2005 7:22:16 GMT -5
i have never read that book. i'm just interested in it
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Jun 21, 2005 15:06:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip M Have downloaded and am reading (although very slowly). |
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Talks about how consumerism has become the de facto cult of the developed world, and how inherently unsatisfactory it is.