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Post by workerscommunes on Oct 1, 2004 9:17:48 GMT -5
As we now have a fantastic regional map in development (cheers S&V!), I was wondering what everyone thought of the idea of creating some form of regional flag or logo?  Personally I think it would be a good idea to use the above red and black flag as a starting point as many nations here (including mine) have done so with their own national flags due to its symbolic significance. Please use this board to post suggestions or possiible designs.  |
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Post by FreeLandofAIM on Oct 1, 2004 10:02:24 GMT -5
I think the red and black flag is cool, but maybe with tACA emblazoned somwehere on it? 'tA' in black latters on the red part, and 'CA' in Red letters in the black part.
Just an idea.
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Post by workerscommunes on Oct 1, 2004 10:07:04 GMT -5
Would you be able to mock one up?
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Post by Sacco & Vanzetti on Oct 1, 2004 11:52:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure about a regional flag, it kind of suggests that individual populations are subsumed within the identity of their region.
How about an emblem instead? Maybe I'm just paranoid (or straight insane) but an emblem seems different to a flag somehow. Carrying an emblem of the region is more like a show of pride in comradeship rather than the adoption of a common (or even shared) flag.
I think I'll do up an emblem to add to S&V's flag.
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Post by FreeLandofAIM on Oct 1, 2004 12:46:54 GMT -5
I agree with you S and V, before I made my post about an idea for a design of the flag in answer to WC's idea for a flag, I did debate whether a flag was needed. But then I thought about how it would show unity in comradeship, and that's why I posted a design, but I did, like you, have concerns about a regional flag. I think that a emblem therefore is a fantastic idea as a way of showing comradeship rather than a flag.
In other words, AIM seconds your motion for an emblem.
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Post by Sacco & Vanzetti on Oct 1, 2004 14:37:53 GMT -5
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Post by workerscommunes on Oct 1, 2004 16:20:27 GMT -5
Flag, emblem call it what you will. I just thought it might be useful to have some kind of symbol or logo to identify us as a region. Just like how you might fly a CND flag just to show your support for the organisation and not because you felt obliged to.
Some nice designs there S&V, I like the circular one with 'tACA' written on it.
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Post by zigtag on Oct 1, 2004 20:59:22 GMT -5
My flag is a statement for my NS nation , nothing more. It would never be flown. A flag is an extension of the state , seperating those that are part of the flag , from those that are not. It creates a devide.
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Post by FreeLandofAIM on Oct 2, 2004 5:28:47 GMT -5
Cool stuff S and V.
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Post by workerscommunes on Oct 2, 2004 5:54:05 GMT -5
A flag is an extension of the state , seperating those that are part of the flag , from those that are not. It creates a devide. Agreed. However flags do not have to represent a state. Anarchists, syndicalists, socialists, pacifists, environmentalists etc. have all used flags as an expression of solidarity as opposed to an allegiance to any kind of state. I personally have no problem with this and I think it would be good to have a regional logo/flag/emblem of some kind in case someone wants to set up a regional website or something. It would also make our region more visually cohesive. Human beings have always used symbols and colours to express themselves. We should not think of this purely as an invention of the state. |
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Post by zigtag on Oct 2, 2004 20:49:56 GMT -5
Agreed. However flags do not have to represent a state. Anarchists, syndicalists, socialists, pacifists, environmentalists etc. have all used flags as an expression of solidarity as opposed to an allegiance to any kind of state. I personally have no problem with this and I think it would be good to have a regional logo/flag/emblem of some kind in case someone wants to set up a regional website or something. It would also make our region more visually cohesive. Human beings have always used symbols and colours to express themselves. We should not think of this purely as an invention of the state. Remove state , and place whatever collective you chose. Of course it creates solidarity for those within , but it alienates those without. But it's your will to do as you please |
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Post by workerscommunes on Oct 3, 2004 6:59:12 GMT -5
Remove state , and place whatever collective you chose. This hypothetical flag/emblem would not be intended represent any particular collective (or collectives), just the ideas we stand for, like how a black flag tends to represent anarchism etc. Perhaps I should have said 'alliance emblem' as opposed to the slightly misleading 'regional flag' which does suggest a kind of subservience to the region. Of course it creates solidarity for those within , but it alienates those without. True, but whether this is a problem or not depends on what the flag is representing. If it were to represent anarcho-communism part of its function would neccessarily be to alienate the capitalist and bureaucratic classes via a show of working class solidarity. It was just an idea I had to improve the overall look of the region, not really a phillosophical point. We'll see if anyone else is interested in the idea of creating an emblem for our Alliance but if not I'd still like some suggestions for how best to make our region visually more exciting. |
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Post by Loe on Oct 3, 2004 16:35:37 GMT -5
The idea of a flag carries some rather disturbing ellements of the nationstate (hehe....). As it was during the time of national unification in the 1800´s that people went from using dynastic symbols, such as the french lilly, to using national flags, like the tricolore..
But an emblem is quite fitting i think... Just imagine it on a pin. It would send out a message of purpose... (a bit pompous maybe???
Sincerly yours, Loe rpresentative of the FNR.
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Post by Sacco & Vanzetti on Oct 3, 2004 17:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by theyellowspot on Oct 19, 2004 14:06:05 GMT -5
Trying to get a nation webpage together, I thought I'd bring this back up. I'm not as concerned with a regional flag, as a button similar to the "UN Member" button only for tACA members, similar in size and theme. Any thoughts?
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