Hitler

[allers]

'Hitler: ein Film aus Deutschland'....well i looked at it yesterday and it was really good ,Astonishing in the way it makes you think anybody can become him....
This film is a" must " and must be seen....
please respond and feel free to comment,ONLY if you saw it


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[Liberaregno]

uli uli uli... can't watch it because i don't understand that much german language. it could be easier if they just yelled: 'DU....BIST...MEIN...FUHRER!' and 'ACHTUNG GRANADE!/PANZER!' but that's going over the line

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Liberaregno said:

uli uli uli... can't watch it because i don't understand that much german language. it could be easier if they just yelled: 'DU....BIST...MEIN...FUHRER!' and 'ACHTUNG GRANADE!/PANZER!' but that's going over the line

yes it is.

[Righteousnesous]

'Twas indeed a great film, you should all make the effort to see it in the cinema, you can practically feel the Soviets getting closer, as the cinema vibrates with the sound of the artillery. \

And yes, what a freak, one question though, anyone know why Hitler was a vegetarian? Was he worried of bacteria or something?? Don't tell me he just loved animals to much, I mean given the 6 million dead Jews, etc, that's just far too sick, even for Hitler.

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'Twas indeed a great film, you should all make the effort to see it in the cinema, you can practically feel the Soviets getting closer, as the cinema vibrates with the sound of the artillery.

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[Liberaregno]

Guest-Righteousnesous said:

'Twas indeed a great film, you should all make the effort to see it in the cinema, you can practically feel the Soviets getting closer, as the cinema vibrates with the sound of the artillery. \

And yes, what a freak, one question though, anyone know why Hitler was a vegetarian? Was he worried of bacteria or something?? Don't tell me he just loved animals to much, I mean given the 6 million dead Jews, etc, that's just far too sick, even for Hitler.

hah i watched it too but man, it was already too late and i guess the clock was some 2 o'clock when we started watching it at my friend's place. i couldn't notice the artillery coming closer because partly because i didn't watch it at the theatre but my friend's place but the movie was really magnificient, in the start at least.

it was crazy how there were those fighting scenes and then a guy goes to a basement and right there he is at the german "government" building, could that be for real? pretty crazy anyway the end half of the movie i nearly slept i was so tired and i didn't find that so interesting as the early parts. i mean after hitler was dead. at some point someone put a gun in his mouth and shot and i asked my friends 'who shot him!?' that was wicked

yea i had heard that he didn't do any alcohol nor meat but i don't really know why. would be really interesting to know abotu the vegetarianism.

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SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE AND TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) Short Title.--This Act may be cited as the ``Uniting
and Strengthening America Act by Providing Appropriate Tools
Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT)
Act of 2001''.
(b) Table of Contents.-- The table of contents for this Act
is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title and table of contents.
Sec. 2. Construction; severability.

TITLE I--ENHANCING DOMESTIC SECURITY AGAINST TERRORISM

Sec. 101. Counterterrorism fund.
Sec. 102. Sense of Congress condemning discrimination against Arab and
Muslim Americans.
Sec. 103. Increased funding for the technical support center at the
Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Sec. 104. Requests for military assistance to enforce prohibition in
certain emergencies.
Sec. 105. Expansion of National Electronic Crime Task Force Initiative.
Sec. 106. Presidential authority.

TITLE II--ENHANCED SURVEILLANCE PROCEDURES

Sec. 201. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic
communications relating to terrorism.
Sec. 202. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic
communications relating to computer fraud and abuse
offenses.
Sec. 203. Authority to share criminal investigative information.
Sec. 204. Clarification of intelligence exceptions from limitations on
interception and disclosure of wire, oral, and electronic
communications.
Sec. 205. Employment of translators by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation.
Sec. 206. Roving surveillance authority under the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act of 1978.
Sec. 207. Duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons
who are agents of a foreign power.
Sec. 208. Designation of judges.
Sec. 209. Seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants.
Sec. 210. Scope of subpoenas for records of electronic communications.
Sec. 211. Clarification of scope.
Sec. 212. Emergency disclosure of electronic communications to protect
life and limb.
Sec. 213. Authority for delaying notice of the execution of a warrant.
Sec. 214. Pen register and trap and trace authority under FISA.
Sec. 215. Access to records and other items under the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Sec. 216. Modification of authorities relating to use of pen registers
and trap and trace devices.
Sec. 217. Interception of computer trespasser communications.
Sec. 218. Foreign intelligence information.
Sec. 219. Single-jurisdiction search warrants for terrorism.
Sec. 220. Nationwide service of search warrants for electronic
evidence.
Sec. 221. Trade sanctions.
Sec. 222. Assistance to law enforcement agencies.
Sec. 223. Civil liability for certain unauthorized disclosures.
Sec. 224. Sunset.
Sec. 225. Immunity for compliance with FISA wiretap.

TITLE III--INTERNATIONAL MONEY LAUNDERING ABATEMENT AND ANTI-TERRORIST
FINANCING ACT OF 2001

Sec. 301. Short title.
Sec. 302. Findings and purposes.
Sec. 303. 4-year congressional review; expedited consideration.

Subtitle A--International Counter Money Laundering and Related Measures

Sec. 311. Special measures for jurisdictions, financial institutions,
or international transactions of primary money laundering
concern.
Sec. 312. Special due diligence for correspondent accounts and private
banking accounts.
Sec. 313. Prohibition on United States correspondent accounts with
foreign shell banks.
Sec. 314. Cooperative efforts to deter money laundering.
Sec. 315. Inclusion of foreign corruption offenses as money laundering
crimes.
Sec. 316. Anti-terrorist forfeiture protection.
Sec. 317. Long-arm jurisdiction over foreign money launderers.
Sec. 318. Laundering money through a foreign bank.
Sec. 319. Forfeiture of funds in United States interbank accounts.
Sec. 320. Proceeds of foreign crimes.
Sec. 321. Financial institutions specified in subchapter II of chapter
53 of title 31, United States code.
Sec. 322. Corporation represented by a fugitive.
Sec. 323. Enforcement of foreign judgments.
Sec. 324. Report and recommendation.
Sec. 325. Concentration accounts at financial institutions.
Sec. 326. Verification of identification.
Sec. 327. Consideration of anti-money laundering record.
Sec. 328. International cooperation on identification of originators of
wire transfers.
Sec. 329. Criminal penalties.
Sec. 330. International cooperation in investigations of money
laundering, financial crimes, and the finances of
terrorist groups.

Subtitle B--Bank Secrecy Act Amendments and Related Improvements

Sec. 351. Amendments relating to reporting of suspicious activities.

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Sec. 352. Anti-money laundering programs.
Sec. 353. Penalties for violations of geographic targeting orders and
certain recordkeeping requirements, and lengthening
effective period of geographic targeting orders.
Sec. 354. Anti-money laundering strategy.
Sec. 355. Authorization to include suspicions of illegal activity in
written employment references.
Sec. 356. Reporting of suspicious activities by securities brokers and
dealers; investment company study.
Sec. 357. Special report on administration of bank secrecy provisions.
Sec. 358. Bank secrecy provisions and activities of United States
intelligence agencies to fight international terrorism.
Sec. 359. Reporting of suspicious activities by underground banking
systems.
Sec. 360. Use of authority of United States Executive Directors.
Sec. 361. Financial crimes enforcement network.
Sec. 362. Establishment of highly secure network.
Sec. 363. Increase in civil and criminal penalties for money
laundering.
Sec. 364. Uniform protection authority for Federal Reserve facilities.
Sec. 365. Reports relating to coins and currency received in
nonfinancial trade or business.
Sec. 366. Efficient use of currency transaction report system.

Subtitle C--Currency Crimes and Protection

Sec. 371. Bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States.
Sec. 372. Forfeiture in currency reporting cases.
Sec. 373. Illegal money transmitting businesses.
Sec. 374. Counterfeiting domestic currency and obligations.
Sec. 375. Counterfeiting foreign currency and obligations.
Sec. 376. Laundering the proceeds of terrorism.
Sec. 377. Extraterritorial jurisdiction.

TITLE IV--PROTECTING THE BORDER

Subtitle A--Protecting the Northern Border

Sec. 401. Ensuring adequate personnel on the northern border.
Sec. 402. Northern border personnel.
Sec. 403. Access by the Department of State and the INS to certain
identifying information in the criminal history records
of visa applicants and applicants for admission to the
United States.
Sec. 404. Limited authority to pay overtime.
Sec. 405. Report on the integrated automated fingerprint identification
system for ports of entry and overseas consular posts.

Subtitle B--Enhanced Immigration Provisions

Sec. 411. Definitions relating to terrorism.
Sec. 412. Mandatory detention of suspected terrorists; habeas corpus;
judicial review.
Sec. 413. Multilateral cooperation against terrorists.
Sec. 414. Visa integrity and security.
Sec. 415. Participation of Office of Homeland Security on Entry-Exit
Task Force.
Sec. 416. Foreign student monitoring program.
Sec. 417. Machine readable passports.
Sec. 418. Prevention of consulate shopping.

Subtitle C--Preservation of Immigration Benefits for Victims of
Terrorism

Sec. 421. Special immigrant status.
Sec. 422. Extension of filing or reentry deadlines.
Sec. 423. Humanitarian relief for certain surviving spouses and
children.
Sec. 424. ``Age-out'' protection for children.
Sec. 425. Temporary administrative relief.
Sec. 426. Evidence of death, disability, or loss of employment.
Sec. 427. No benefits to terrorists or family members of terrorists.
Sec. 428. Definitions.

TITLE V--REMOVING OBSTACLES TO INVESTIGATING TERRORISM

Sec. 501. Attorney General's authority to pay rewards to combat
terrorism.
Sec. 502. Secretary of State's authority to pay rewards.
Sec. 503. DNA identification of terrorists and other violent offenders.
Sec. 504. Coordination with law enforcement.
Sec. 505. Miscellaneous national security authorities.
Sec. 506. Extension of Secret Service jurisdiction.
Sec. 507. Disclosure of educational records.
Sec. 508. Disclosure of information from NCES surveys.

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TITLE VI--PROVIDING FOR VICTIMS OF TERRORISM, PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS,
AND THEIR FAMILIES

Subtitle A--Aid to Families of Public Safety Officers

Sec. 611. Expedited payment for public safety officers involved in the
prevention, investigation, rescue, or recovery efforts
related to a terrorist attack.
Sec. 612. Technical correction with respect to expedited payments for
heroic public safety officers.
Sec. 613. Public safety officers benefit program payment increase.
Sec. 614. Office of Justice programs.

Subtitle B--Amendments to the Victims of Crime Act of 1984

Sec. 621. Crime victims fund.
Sec. 622. Crime victim compensation.
Sec. 623. Crime victim assistance.
Sec. 624. Victims of terrorism.

TITLE VII--INCREASED INFORMATION SHARING FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE
PROTECTION

Sec. 711. Expansion of regional information sharing system to
facilitate Federal-State-local law enforcement response
related to terrorist attacks.

TITLE VIII--STRENGTHENING THE CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST TERRORISM

Sec. 801. Terrorist attacks and other acts of violence against mass
transportation systems.
Sec. 802. Definition of domestic terrorism.
Sec. 803. Prohibition against harboring terrorists.
Sec. 804. Jurisdiction over crimes committed at U.S. facilities abroad.
Sec. 805. Material support for terrorism.
Sec. 806. Assets of terrorist organizations.
Sec. 807. Technical clarification relating to provision of material
support to terrorism.
Sec. 808. Definition of Federal crime of terrorism.
Sec. 809. No statute of limitation for certain terrorism offenses.
Sec. 810. Alternate maximum penalties for terrorism offenses.
Sec. 811. Penalties for terrorist conspiracies.
Sec. 812. Post-release supervision of terrorists.
Sec. 813. Inclusion of acts of terrorism as racketeering activity.
Sec. 814. Deterrence and prevention of cyberterrorism.
Sec. 815. Additional defense to civil actions relating to preserving
records in response to Government requests.
Sec. 816. Development and support of cybersecurity forensic
capabilities.
Sec. 817. Expansion of the biological weapons statute.

TITLE IX--IMPROVED INTELLIGENCE

Sec. 901. Responsibilities of Director of Central Intelligence
regarding foreign intelligence collected under Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
Sec. 902. Inclusion of international terrorist activities within scope
of foreign intelligence under National Security Act of
1947.
Sec. 903. Sense of Congress on the establishment and maintenance of
intelligence relationships to acquire information on
terrorists and terrorist organizations.
Sec. 904. Temporary authority to defer submittal to Congress of reports
on intelligence and intelligence-related matters.
Sec. 905. Disclosure to Director of Central Intelligence of foreign
intelligence-related information with respect to criminal
investigations.
Sec. 906. Foreign terrorist asset tracking center.
Sec. 907. National Virtual Translation Center.
Sec. 908. Training of government officials regarding identification and
use of foreign intelligence.

TITLE X--MISCELLANEOUS

Sec. 1001. Review of the department of justice.
Sec. 1002. Sense of congress.
Sec. 1003. Definition of ``electronic surveillance''.
Sec. 1004. Venue in money laundering cases.
Sec. 1005. First responders assistance act.
Sec. 1006. Inadmissibility of aliens engaged in money laundering.
Sec. 1007. Authorization of funds for dea police training in south and
central asia.
Sec. 1008. Feasibility study on use of biometric identifier scanning
system with access to the fbi integrated automated
fingerprint identification system at overseas consular
posts and points of entry to the United States.
Sec. 1009. Study of access.
Sec. 1010. Temporary authority to contract with local and State
governments for performance of security functions at
United States military installations.
Sec. 1011. Crimes against charitable americans.
Sec. 1012. Limitation on issuance of hazmat licenses.
Sec. 1013. Expressing the sense of the senate concerning the provision
of funding for bioterrorism preparedness and response.
Sec. 1014. Grant program for State and local domestic preparedness
support.
Sec. 1015. Expansion and reauthorization of the crime identification
technology act for antiterrorism grants to States and
localities.
Sec. 1016. Critical infrastructures protection

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[workerscommunes]

Saw 'Downfall' last night Incredible film, surpassed all my expectations. ;D

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Workers said:

Saw 'Downfall' last night Incredible film, surpassed all my expectations. ;D

i didn't see it yet but it looks promising(away from taboes)along with a lot of disturbing actors of our history(from Ceasar to Pol pot without forgeting Napoleon and Staline,etc,etc,etc.....)as well as the one who will come.....The fight goes on
"Morgen Werden Mir Millionen Verfluchen Aber Der Schicksal Wollte Es Nicht Anders" (Adolf Hitler)

("Tomorrow, millions of people will condemn me but the fate wanted it so!")

Before writing this review, I trembled. The feeling of terror and fear is very significant for me to admit since whenever I attempt at discussing such cruel topics as the one of war and its misery, I feel scared. It is impossible to do justice to people who created hell on earth. But it is possible to show them to new generation in an accurate way.

Der Untergang is not a movie, as some people would probably expect, that shows the leaders of the Third Reich as real monsters. It is a psychological attempt at creating a slightly different image of Hitler and his closest "companions" than has been preferred by many so far. The "monsters" appear to have human feelings. They, however, have mostly dark rather than black souls. The whole movie is truthful to history since it is highly based on the notions of Hitler's secretary, Traudl Humps - Junge. To my surprise, she herself appears at the end of the movie, old, tired of her sad memories from the 1940s. Her words "One could look for the truth even if we did not know the scale of human tragedy" prove that she was not one of the blind Nazi propaganda followers but someone who believed that everyone is a child of God and it is not right to kill. The strange destiny of hers led her to Hitler somehow unconsciously.

The thing that seemed the most significant for me is the effect that the movie has on a viewer. All of the scenes take place in Berlin bunker, in very small rooms where the leaders of the Third Reich are hiding. Hitler, though cruel, deadly furious, and far from consciousness (for long he still believes in victory), is also able to show human feelings, especially to women. Eva Braun, escaping from the cruel facts of her lover's (later husband's) downfall, wants to be cheerful and entertain. One of the most memorable scenes was the one where Eva wants to have a party and dance although Berlin is full of bombarding. This is a sort of escape from the reality, a feeling that every human has in despair. Others, including Magda Goebbels and her husband are sheer fanatics. I will never forget the moment when Mrs Goebbels kills her children, calm, not showing any feelings at all. With reference to Speer's words, she does not even hesitate to deprive her children of future. One of the few people who retained reason is Traudl and Prof. Ernst Guenter Schenck.

The cast are really great. These are mostly German stars, some not very famous, but they perform wonderfully. Bruno Ganz portrays Hitler really well. From fury and devil's cruelty to politeness and calmness. However, never accepting compassion! A young, beautiful rising star, Alexandra Maria Lara, feels her role of Traudl. Sometimes, she feels empathy with Hitler, but in other moments she is shocked by his furious behavior. Corinna Harfouch as Magda Goebbels is great in this role. She seems to have calm nerves for most of the time, even while killing her children, but when Hitler plans to kill himself, she kneels down before him, panics begging him, in sheer mad fanaticism, not to leave his people. Great acting

Finally, the most unforgettable performance, in my opinion, is Juliane Kohler's Eva Braun. I loved all the scenes she appeared in. For most of the time a viewer can distinguish two sorts of personalities in her: on the one hand, someone who wants to be happy and live a cheerful life, and, on the other hand, someone who does whatever the fuhrer says, no matter if it destroys her personal happiness. Consider the scene when she begs Hitler for the life of Hermann Fegelein (Thomas Kretschmann), her sister's husband, to spare. She feels compassion, says that her sister is pregnant... but when Hitler is not able to feel empathy, she wipes off the tears of her face and calmly says "You are the fuhrer!" I saw the film for the second time partly for the sake of Juliane and her performance.

There is one more topic which I have to mention in this review, though long. Some people in Poland said that Oliver Hirschbiegel, the director of the movie, raised nationalism in Germany through this movie. Isn't it silly? It would mean that people would go to the cinema and the film would teach them nationalism or other sick and corrupted ideologies. The film clearly conveys one message "Hitler was evil, he killed many innocent people including millions of Jews, but he was not a devil. He was only a tool in his/her hands and a "god" for blind Nazi fanatics! What is more, there are always good and bad Germans like there are good and bad people in every nation on earth!" Even the title says clearly, it was the DOWNFALL of the Third Reich! If someone is a racist or Nazi, the film does not change anything. The corruption comes out of one's heart!

THE DOWNFALL is a must to see. It is a film that will be surely regarded as one of the most ambitious films ever made. The content is very hard to present, but Mr Hirschbiegel together with Bernd Eichinger (by the way, he produced a wonderful movie in 1986 The Name of the Rose) managed to do it perfectly. I give this film 10/10 with no hesitation!

Finally, I feel a need to share my thoughts with you that i had just after seeing the movie:

Yes, there are millions who condemn you, Hitler! The gist, however, is not condemning, but rather learning from history and drawing right conclusions. In order not to allow for A HELL ON EARTH again! NEVER!


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