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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 11, 2004 6:31:23 GMT -5
Nice, now word it the other way around. Revolutionary superior dirty squatters indeed.
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Post by Refused on Nov 11, 2004 7:36:20 GMT -5
Who says I live minimalistically out of choice?
You know, some of us don't have/don't make much or any money at all.
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Post by claptonpond on Nov 11, 2004 8:11:29 GMT -5
Who says I live minimalistically out of choice? You know, some of us don't have/don't make much or any money at all. Of course. That doesn't make you a lifestylist. But some anarchists, often from middle-class backgrounds, do live minimalistically out of choice, because they mistakenly believe that squatting, refusing work, getting their food from skips, not shopping at supermarkets, and so on, constitutes revolutionary activity. And some of them slag off anyone who works, pays rent, etc, for 'selling out'. Leading to much bitterness, as evidenced by Fenria's comments. |
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Post by FreeLandofAIM on Nov 11, 2004 8:15:49 GMT -5
AIM, I think you misunderstand the term 'lifestyle anarchism' (as people often do). Check out the Bookchin article I linked to in the Albert vs Zerzan thread. You kinda missed the point of this bit, I think: It's not so much the smelling like a public toilet that's the problem, more the telling him he's a prick for not wanting to live the same lifestyle as you. That's what makes it lifestyle anarchism. I get you. Thanks.  |
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Post by FreeLandofAIM on Nov 11, 2004 8:16:40 GMT -5
Who says I live minimalistically out of choice? You know, some of us don't have/don't make much or any money at all. Well said mate. |
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 11, 2004 8:39:57 GMT -5
Good, why should you?
Why shouldn't people live minimalistically out of choice?
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Post by claptonpond on Nov 11, 2004 8:47:03 GMT -5
Why shouldn't people live minimalistically out of choice? Living minimalistically out of choice is fine - it's when you start slagging others down for not making the same choice that it's a problem. |
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 11, 2004 8:50:50 GMT -5
CP, you know this to be fact do you?
Why not live a minimalistic way of life?
There's that 'middle class' crap again. What difference does one's background make to not wanting to support capitalism and greed?
I don't believe that you'd find many, if any, people living in squats, eating out of skips AND calling themselves middle class.
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Post by claptonpond on Nov 11, 2004 9:07:15 GMT -5
CP, you know this to be fact do you? Yeah, I've met them and been slagged off by them for having a job. Not often, fortunately, but it has happened. Like I said, nothing wrong with it, just don't claim it's the one true revolutionary path. It doesn't. It's just irritating when they get all prolier-than-thou coz they choose not to wash. I didn't say they called themselves middle class, or even that they were middle class, I said they're often from middle-class backgrounds (the relevance being that it gives them more choice about how they live). |
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 11, 2004 9:14:37 GMT -5
Fair enough CP, it's just something I've not experienced myself. I have heard people getting frustrated with the lack of change for the better and bitching off at people about their choices. but not because those people have chosen them.
For example, I might not like going to school, I might feel angry and frustrated about all the bad things about school. I might decide to rant at other people about it. They might join me in bunking off with the intention of never going back, but for one reason or another they return leaving me alone to deal with the frustration of lack of change. That would piss me off yes, but it wouldn't be their choice that annoyed (not for long anyway). Still it would just be all the bads things about school.
People that live minimalistically whether by choice or not don't generally seem to be so narrow-minded as those that think squatters are middle class anarchists that rub dirt on themselves and have rats gnaw their feet because it's cool.
Not unless they have someone slagging them down for not making the 'right' choices. Even then, I don't think they'd hold onto it for 12 years. That is nonsense. Trust me, I'm hardcore & I know what I'm talking about.
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Post by claptonpond on Nov 11, 2004 9:26:15 GMT -5
Don't worry, AT, I've met plenty of sound squatters - the lifestyler scum are a minority (and usually pretty short-term, which would be why Fenria classed them as 'young anarchists').
I have no problem with people choosing to live that way, I just personally don't think it achieves a hell of a lot.
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 11, 2004 11:23:48 GMT -5
Squats and squatters can very often be life-savers. Squatting is generally a short term experience for anyone, because it gets depressing and yes achieves little in the long-term.
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 12, 2004 21:30:11 GMT -5
<just a quick note to the 'working class'>
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Post by Anarchic Tribes on Nov 12, 2004 21:34:26 GMT -5
Squats rarely have running, let alone hot, running water.
<just a quick note to the middle class>
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Post by theyellowspot on Nov 13, 2004 16:20:19 GMT -5
Squats rarely have running, let alone hot, running water. <just a quick note to the middle class> while in general i think this is true, it kind of depends on where you're talking about. in the states, that's DEFINITELY true, though in barcelona it's generally not true. i had hot water, a showere, a clothes washer, electricity, all the amenities that i often have to go without in the states. most of the people i know in barcelona have at least electricitiy, and more often than not water. |
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